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The Bootham Crescent Ground
and York City Football Club


"If York do go bust and a new York team has to start from a lower division, we wish them luck. If the fans support the new team, I am sure that they will quickly recover. After all, it was only a few years ago that we were visiting York in the second division and now we are in the Premiership." - Manchester City Fans

20dec02a: The Administrator of York City Football Club: York City may close on the 18th January 2003.

David Willis, the administrator of York City Football Club, said that the club was loosing 20,000 per week, 80,000 per month. Players wages were 80,000 per month and other wages were about the same other costs meant total monthly costs were of the order of 200,000 per month.

The critical date for the club is 18th January 2003. Until then, the club will have the benefit of home games from which it receives the gate money. After the 18th there is a string of away games and a drop in income.

22dec02a: Geoff Beacon: Environmental impact of moving a football stadium - The production of greenhouse gasses (GHGs) due to building construction.

"The building of an average house in York is responsible for the release of 68 tonnes of GHG emissions per capita." -Ecological Footprint of York, The Stockholm Institute, York. See (www.yorkfootprint.org)

If Bootham Cresent were to close and a new football stadium were to be built, there would be an impact on the atmosphere through the production of greenhouse gasses, most of which would be carbon dioxide. Without knowing the demolition and construction methods that might be employed, it is difficult to predict the size of the problem. However, it is possible it would come under certain European directives. For example

1. It may come under the European Council Directive 85/337/EEC (updated by Directive 97/11/EC).

2. Also, the Checklist of Environmental Components in the Guidance on Scoping (May 1996) includes provision for consideration of both climate and microclimate.

23dec02a: Man from the FA: When a club goes bust...

When a club goes bust and is "replaced" by a "phoenix" club, the phoenix club must start two divisions lower. A York Phoenix Club would need to start in the Northern Premier League.

23dec02b: Manchester City Fans: The drop down did us good.

When Man City went down to the 2nd division. It became a cult thing to go to the matches. We had gates of up to 28,000 in the second division. A successful team in a lower division can have better attendances than unsuccessful teams in higher divisions.

Sucessful teams can afford good players. It was so exciting to see us win the playoffs against Gillingham to get back to the first division, shortly followed by our return to the premiership.

If York do go bust and a new York team has to start from a lower division, we wish them luck. If the fans support the new team, I am sure that they will quickly recover. After all, it was only a few years ago that we were visiting York in the second division and now we are in the Premiership.

In the end, the drop down did us good.


29dec02a: Cllr Brumby, Chair of York Planning Committee: Compulsory purchase.

It may be worth investigating the compulsory purchase of the Bootham Cresent football ground. It would be a difficult case that may not fall within current government guidelines. If consent for housing were granted, it would become a prohibitively expensive operation.

However, the Government have a draft bill to increase the powers of compulsory purchase. This could change the situation.


29dec02b: Ian Sanderson, York City Fan: I would not like it but...

(Phoned from holiday in Australia)

As a York City Fan, I would not like it if York City went bust and a York Phoenix club replaced them. But if there were no alternative, I would support them.

30dec02a: Marcus Cerny, York City Fan: I would buy a season ticket for a replacement club

(Phoned from holiday in Australia)

I am a long standing York City Fan. I too would not like York City to go bust. But the only other team I could support would be a York Phoenix club. I would certainly buy a season ticket.

31dec02a: Geoff Beacon: Email to all York councillors

Dear Councillor

Cllr Brumby has kindly commented on the possibility of the compulsory purchase of the Bootham Crescent Football Ground for a website that I am editing http:york.townplan.org

He said:

"It may be worth investigating the compulsory purchase of the Bootham Cresent football ground. It would be a difficult case that may not fall within current government guidelines. If consent for housing were granted, it would become a prohibitively expensive operation."
"However, the Government have a draft bill to increase the powers of compulsory purchase. This could change the situation."

I would be pleased to know if you think this is a serious possibility and will be happy to post your views on http://york.townplan.org

Thank you

Geoff Beacon



31dec02b: Cllr. Q. Macdonald: ...don't hold your breath

Dear Geoff,

This is yet another twist to an already complicated tale. I note that Martin does not suggest who might come up with the money. Historically, the City of York Council (and before it York City Council) has rarely if ever used its powers of compulsory purchase, so don't hold your breath.

Quentin Macdonald



31dec02c: Cllr. J. Galvin: I think it highly unlikely ...

I think it highly unlikely, as apart from anything else I believe it would not meet current legislation for compulsory purchase.

John Galvin



31dec02d: David Wilde: Sombody has to cut the Ghordian knot ...

Somebody has to cut the Ghordian knot that ties up the affairs of York City FC and its future.

As I firmly support YFC remaining in existence, I support the idea of compulsory purchase as a way of keeping the club and the ground for the benefit of the community.

My uncle Wilfred, used to walk to Bootham Crescent from Hull Road to support York, even when he was in his 90s. A loyal supporter to the end, he would not have liked to walk halfway to the Selby to see a match.

We don't want the club to be relocated out of existence like York Rugby League Club.

And don't forget the traffic problems if the club is relocated where it can only be reached by car.

David Wilde



31dec02e: Lisa, local resident: ... best placed within the heart of communities

I believe that facilities like the ground are best placed within the heart of communities. The Bootham Crescent ground is perfectly adequate for York City FC for the forseeable future.

There would be an environmental impact in the construction work involved in the creation of a new stadium elsewhere and houses on the current stadium site. The transport of fans to any out-of-town site is also significant, as fans will then have to travel out by bus/car (probably car). At present many fans walk to Bootham Crescent, and those outside of York can arrive by train and walk from the station.

I have been involved in opposition to planning permission because I believe that the current York City ground at Bootham Crescent should be protected for the good of thousands, not turned into profit for the good of the few.

For more information please visit the Friends of Bootham Crescent's website: here.
(And it's a lovely site to see - Ed)

Lisa, local resident

31dec02f: Lucy Pieroni: 'My club's now trendy flats'

Let's be realistic - if York City FC moves out of York, it will be the end of the club. Anyone remember York Rugby League Club (RIP)? Not many York people under 30 I expect. Do we really want to sit back and let the same thing happen to York City FC? York's youth have already been denied the joy of following a good rugby team. They shouldn't have to lose the pleasure of supporting their local football team too.

Although the relocation of YCFC seems inevitable, plans should be put in place for a 'Phoenix' club to replace it when the relocated club fails. It would be a great help if Bootham Crescent remained as a sports stadium, until the sad demise of the current YCFC.

Football is the one of the few sports we Brits are good at. If we take away local clubs, along with children's playing fields (more trendy flats!), we may become the laughing stock of yet another British sporting invention. It's just not cricket!

07jan03a: Ian Savage, Friends of Bootham Crescent: 'We should be told'

York's chief planner, Roy Templeman, was quoted in the Evening Press (3rd January) as saying

"[Compulsory purchace of Bootham Crescent] is something we have considered already and we are not dismissing it at all."
But he was also quoted as saying
"....We are concentrating our efforts and we have got to be mindful to where the club might be sited in the future."

This suggests to me that other plans are being made. In a really democratic society the public would know about these.

I think moving from Bootham Crescent would be the beginning of the end for York City FC. I think the York electorate should have a say.

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